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I have recently come into possession of many thousands of feet of paracord, more than any practical use would dictate. So this started me down the addictive path that is weaving and forming it into various more practical or at least decorative uses. One of the extremely easy knitting styles using a spool loom allows for some pretty elaborate rope design, and also allows for compact bundling of cordage into ropes that unspool into much longer cord lengths. Since this is ultimately still one strand just doubled back x times per pin in the loom, I would assume it gains no strength in this process, and by nature of all the additional bend radii I would further assume that it actually looses some strength in this process...

So what I would like to know is there any definable equation / references by which one can calculate the relative strength of a rope constructed of single cords in relation to the knit?

I am not looking to make climbing rope or push its limits, I never really see this being used as anything more than novelty items like leashes, gear holding, bracelets, and gun slings. I am just curious what the deduction is from the 550# relative strength of the cord to start with and how much it decreases with a 2 pin knit vs a 3 pin, 5, etc... Just so I would have some frame of reference if any of it ever had to be load bearing.

Errata: An example of the rope in question, this is a three plat knit using single cord over three pins in a spool loom. It produces a rope diameter of about 1" and compacts the cord about 4.5"(ish) per link, so 50' of rope is actually a manageable 200+ length of cord. enter image description hereenter image description here

Original milspec 550 cord, I looped some over a limb, supported my body weight (190#) and only a few inches off the ground, bounced as hard as I could in effort to test its breaking strength, it held with no obvious signs of damage.

So though I would never climb on a homemade rope as a first choice, it seems it would not be an issue if I did need to, it is somewhat stretchy, I got about a 2' stretch out of about 20 feet of rope before it seemed to hold me in a solid position.

Using that homemade loom and a Philips head screwdriver as a tool, I made about 25' in an evening, so practical way to store a decent length of cord...

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The standard measure of cord/rope strength is Kilonewton. Is this what you mean? Your question isn't clear – Liam Feb 16 at 16:05
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Defining the strength of cord is complex and the only real way is to use a testing rig where you increase the load until it breaks. There are too many factors involved to write an equation for it – Liam Feb 16 at 16:11
    
Yeah, not really by what units is it measured, more so if I start with a cord that has x tensile strength, and tie a known of x type it has for instance a 60% reduction in strength with the knot being the weak point. I see references like this on sport websites about knot tying, however I cannot find anything specific as it relates to knitting or weaving cords. There has to be a limit, because if each loop reduced by x percent and that is anything other than a minuscule amount, then the cord would eventually break under its own weight in short lengths, which it does not... – Sabre Feb 16 at 16:43
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so I am thinking a rope is actually a x reduction in a single knot, and then each subsequent one represents that same deduction, therefore the rope's strength reductions does not become the sum of its knots as much as using the weakest link theory. – Sabre Feb 16 at 16:44
    
Just FYI (since you are already aware it's not a good idea to climb with), 550 lbf is only 2.4kN, and real world "climbing" falls tend to generate at least around 5kN of force on the climber's side alone. This paracord would be good as a static sling if you needed to tie off on a rock face somewhere while awaiting rescue (even overnight), but I wouldn't trust it to catch me on a real fall for climbing. – TylerH Feb 17 at 19:16
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You'll need to test to be sure, but it will lose quite a bit of strength.

When I sailed, I was taught that you lose as much as 80% strength by tying a knot. So if you have 500 lb paracord, by this estimate it could support about 100 pounds reliably when knotted. The weakening is at the point of the knot, so multiple knots doesn't further decrease the strength, it just gives you more probable failure points, all at 20% of the original strength.

The problem here is that the 80% loss is a conservative rule of thumb. That's good if you need to plan for something where your life depends on the line NOT breaking, but your knotted rope can probably hold more than 20% of it's rated strength.

I found a rope maker who tested some of their own ropes, and described both the testing protocol and the results. The result was that you lost between 35% and 68% of a rope's strength, depending on the type of line and the knot. Splices lost significantly less strength, but since you aren't splicing that's not really relevant. There are probably other lines and knots that lose even greater strength.

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This answer is about an unbroken cord with a knot in it. Rope is designed to be strongest when all fibers in it are straight, so the bent fibers, while bent, are significantly weaker than the surrounding straight fibers. The more severe the bend, the greater the weakening. If you untie the knot, the rope goes back to being straight and regains its strength.

The picture looks like any weight on the braided cord would be supported by the equivalent of multiple strands, and the braid might not compromise the rope's strength as severely as a true knot.

Braiding a single cord as you did functions kind of like wrapping a line between two anchor points several times. Any force placed on the ends will pull on all the bends, so the full force won't be on any single bend. In your picture, the force would probably be distributed between several bent strands, so it could support several times what a single knotted cord would support. But all this means is that if you really want to know, you need to test it.

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"...lose as much as 80% strength by tying a knot" Is this a comparison between an unbroken rope, and one that has been cut and then tied together? Or is it the weakening due to tying a knot in the middle of an unbroken cord? I've been under the impression it was the former, while @Sabre seems to be looking for the latter. – John Walthour Feb 16 at 21:45
    
Hmm, though my brain is trig to picture the single points at which the strain would increase, I agree that does make sense about the load distribution... in essence it should then be three (or however many pins were in the loom), doubled over, hmmm, trying to figure out how to safely test this without a 1k# scale, a comealong, and a spare limb to accidentally loose when it snaps ;) – Sabre Feb 16 at 22:45
    
@JohnWalthour, Edited to include that information. – Karen Feb 17 at 13:56
    
Awesome, thanks @Karen! – John Walthour Feb 17 at 14:04
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@Sabre, be VERY careful testing. When the rope breaks, it will be under several hundred pounds of pressure or more. I wouldn't be surprised if the knitted cord could support something in the thousands, so if you have a sudden snap, the recoil will be enough to seriously injure you if it hits you. That's if your rig doesn't break first. If it works out, though, I'd be curious about the answer. – Karen Feb 17 at 18:59

A single strand of 550 paracord will hold body weight, so when you say, "load bearing" are you implying more than body weight? If not, then I think it's a non-issue, especially if you're weaving or knitting verses knotting; knots significantly decrease the breaking strength of ropes and cord, bending: not as much.

Paracord will be more than suitable for any application that you would use any other type of cord for. I'd argue that it'd be more durable than anything else you knit together.

You could make some pretty heavy duty hammocks out of paracord, and they would hold the weight of more people than you could ever fit in them.

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If I slice across your knit rope, in a flat cut, how many strands would I cut.

Looks like 8.

Now use the best lies you can find about the strength reduction in a bend in kernmantle rope. My recollection is that it is about 80% of the original strength. (60% in a stranded rope) (The core fibers in a kernmantle rope have room to slip, so all the strain isn't concentrated on a few of the fibers.)

So your new root = 8 * 0.8 * original rating. or 6.4 * 550

Think like block and tackle: How many strands support the load?

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Interesting, you would only cut 3 loops, albeit 6 total strands, each is one loop back on its self. So for each link there are three strands supporting the load, each in a loop engaging the next link. This is sort of like what Karen had specified above, a looped cord stresses all the loops equally (ideally). As in the case of the Rose Lashing exemplified here l-36.com/knots_splices_ropework.php?chapter=6 one would think this does indeed increase the strength of the rope as a whole in a greater ratio than the decrease by the bending. I will as soon as time allows break one to test! – Sabre Feb 22 at 21:02

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