There are quite a few countries where you aren't allowed to make open fires in the great outdoors (I'm sure for at least Austria and Germany). I wondered why nobody has yet thought about electric stoves?

As you can't use common gas stoves (cause open fire/flame), you could use battery powered stoves without a flame.

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    While battery-powered stoves may be impractical, there is an alternative in the form of solar cookers. Of course, those do tend to require a good amount of sunlight so probably aren't as useful in heavily forested areas.
    – JAB
    Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 14:47
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    There's a difference between open fires and cooking stoves. Are you sure you are not allowed cooking stoves in those places? Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 15:29
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    Worth a read is the xkcd What If? article on a butane powered phone. what-if.xkcd.com/128
    – Erik
    Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 15:46
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    @OddDeer Coming from an outdoor climbing background normal gas stoves are no problem in Germany with the exception of national parks and the likes. For an example see here.
    – Tarok
    Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 18:37
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    @OddDeer: I have never had any problems with gas stoves (unless in areaas where it is explicitly forbidden) in germany. There are even sometimes areas where open fire is allowed and fireplaces are set up.
    – PlasmaHH
    Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 19:56

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Comparing hydrocarbons with batteries

As Olin Lathrop wrote, the big problem is energy density: hydrocarbon fuels simply offer a huge amount of energy per unit mass, compared to any current battery technology. To put some numbers on this, we can look at Wikipedia's page on energy density. Let's compare ethanol (probably the least energy-dense of the commonly used camping stove fuels) with non-rechargeable lithium batteries (the most energy-dense of current battery technologies).

Ethanol fuel provides 26.4 MJ/kg; lithium batteries provide 1.8 MJ/kg -- less than one-fourteenth as much per unit mass. So if you had 100 g of ethanol (about 127 ml) for cooking purposes and wanted to substitute it with electrical power, you'd need about 1.4 kg of disposable lithium batteries. If you want rechargeable lithium-ion batteries, you'll need about 2.8 kg of them (the energy density is about half that of disposables). As gerrit pointed out in the comments, you also need to think about power density: even if your battery contains enough energy to cook, it might not be able to output that energy fast enough for practical cooking.

Battery technology is improving all the time, but there are no technologies currently in development which would give anything like the order-of-magnitude improvement needed to make them competitive with hydrocarbons for energy density.

So it's not ideal, but is it feasible?

It's clear that batteries are far less energy-dense than hydrocarbon fuels, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're a lost cause -- perhaps the extra weight would be small enough to be manageable, especially if you're hiking in a German forest where the only alternatives to flameless heating are breaking the law and eating cold food.

I'll start by picking a battery pack, then look at how much cooking we could get out of it. This E-bike battery pack is currently retailing on Amazon for around 277 USD. Its vital statistics are: 24 V, 11 Ah, 262 Watt-hours or 943 kJ of energy capacity. It weighs about 2.3 kg and can output 15 Amps of continuous power, which gives a maximum of 360 Watts. (I specifically looked for an e-bike battery pack, since they tend to be designed for relatively high power output.) For cooking, let's keep it simple and decide that we just want to boil water, which we can then use for beverages, instant soups, noodles, dehydrated meals, and so on. So we can attach the battery pack to a 24-volt electric immersion heater like this one. It's rated at 200 Watts, well within the capacity of the battery. I don't see a weight specified on this one, but other similar heating elements I've seen online weigh under 100 g, so our whole electric heating set-up is under 2.4 kg.

How many hot meals can we make with this set-up? Water has a specific heat capacity of about 4.18 J⋅g−1⋅K−1. Let's say that for each meal we want to heat 500 ml of water from 15°C to 100°C. That's going to require 4.18 × 500 × 85 = 177650 J of energy. Let's round up and call it 200 kJ since the water might be colder and we'll be losing some heat to the pot. As a double-check on this calculation, I just timed my 1 kW kettle bringing 500 ml of 11°C tap water to a rolling boil; it took 210 seconds, so (assuming the power rating is correct) used 210 kJ of energy. Remembering that the battery pack holds 943 kJ and using this higher figure for the water boil, we get 943 / 210 =~ 4.5 half-litre boils from a 2.4 kg electric heating system.

Whether this is practical or not depends on the circumstances and personal judgement. On a two-day hike, this set-up would give you at minimum a hot drink every morning, and a hot drink and hot meal every evening. If you can manage on 560 ml of boiling water per day, you could even stretch as far as four days. The 2.4 kg would probably be unthinkable for a hard-core ultralighter, but it's clearly not an impossible weight to carry. For longer hikes, of course, it swiftly becomes impractical. At this point you probably have to start thinking about solar panels for recharging in the wilderness :-).

Things are getting better (but very slowly)

Lithium-ion technology has been on the market since 1991, with variable but fairly continuous improvements from one year to the next. Energy density tends to increase, on average, by a few percent per year. This makes for significant improvements in the long term: as the graph below from Masias et al. (2013) shows, energy density of the common 18650 battery cell improved by a factor of more than 2.5 between 1991 and 2013:

Figure: Energy density trends

Similar trends can be seen in the data of Jeong et al. (2011) and Pistoia (2014).

We can probably expect these marginal improvements to continue at least for a few years more (Tesla seem fairly confident about it, for instance). So our 2.4 kg weekend water-boiler will probably come down below 2 kg in the foreseeable future, but beyond that it's hard to say. Even if lithium-ion energy density could continue to improve indefinitely at 10% per year, it would take over two decades to catch up with ethanol. Would-be electric hikers might do better to pin their hopes on the development of some entirely new battery design. There are plenty of research groups working on potentially revolutionary new battery technologies, but potentially is the key word here: very few bright ideas survive the long journey from notebook to laboratory to factory.


Jeong, G., Kim, Y. U., Kim, H., Kim, Y. J., & Sohn, H. J. (2011). Prospective materials and applications for Li secondary batteries. Energy & Environmental Science, 4(6), 1986-2002.

Masias, A., Snyder, K., & Miller, T. (2013). Automaker Energy Storage Needs for Electric Vehicles. In Proceedings of the FISITA 2012 World Automotive Congress (pp. 729-741). Berlin: Springer.

Pistoia, G. (Ed.). (2014). Lithium-ion batteries: advances and applications. Amsterdam: Elsevier.

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    Perhaps interesting to mention that most fuels have an energy density much higher than ethanol, usually in the 40-45 MJ/kg range (e.g. butane, propane, gasoline, etc). Also interesting: even wood has an energy density about 10 times higher than batteries.
    – Sanchises
    Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 14:50
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    Not to forget that a disposable lithium battery would be an awfully wasteful idea.
    – Chieron
    Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 16:21
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    even wood has an energy density about 10 times higher than batteries: Which is why this works
    – user2766
    Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 16:59
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    The problem is not only energy density, but also power density.
    – gerrit
    Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 19:07
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    I'd give you another +1 for your continued improvements if I could.
    – Karen
    Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 17:04

There are no electric backcountry stoves because there aren't long enough extension cords.

Seriously, where do you propose to get the energy from? Batteries of current technology don't have the same energy density by weight or volume as chemical fuel does. Battery technology is advancing rapidly, so some day this may no longer be the case, but today it is.

Put another way, you wouldn't want to lug the batteries around it would take to power your electric stove, so we're back to long extension cords.

Energy density

I didn't have time yesterday when I wrote this answer, but here is a more detailed analysis of batteries versus chemical fuel for a backcountry stove.

I couldn't find exact energy density values for "Coleman fuel" as I had intended, but gasoline should be close enough. 1 liter of gasoline contains about 32 MJ of energy, has a mass of about 730 g, and weighs about 1.6 pounds. It requires a container, so lets say overall it weighs 2 pounds.

If you were serious about using batteries to run a backcountry stove, you'd want to use rechargeable batteries. I think few here with a decent environmental ethic would want to use up and then throw out a bunch of single-use batteries each trip.

Today (Feb 2016), probably the most available and accessible rechargeable battery with decent energy density is some type of lithium in 18650 form factor. These have a service voltage of around 3.5 - 4.3 V over a discharge cycle. You can today get various cells rated for 5 Ah from no-name companies. Reputable companies promise about half that, so the 5 Ah figure is rather suspect. Still, lets go with that to be as optimistic as possible. Let's also say the average discharge voltage will be 4.0, which is again optimistic. That results in 20 Wh, or 72 kJ per fully charged battery. It would therefore take 444 batteries to deliver the same energy as the liter of gasoline.

These batteries have a mass of about 50 g, so that's 22 kg of batteries for the 730 g of gasoline. That's 49 pounds weight compared to 2 pounds for the gasoline in a container, or about 24 times heavier.

Volume is another issue. These batteries are cylindrical, 65 mm long by 18 mm diameter, for a total of 16.5 ml each. They can't be packed without some space between them, but even if they could, the 444 batteries would take up 7.3 liters of space, probably more like 10 liters in reality.

Let's say the minimum fuel you'd ever want to take with you would be 100 ml gasoline. That's barely enough to boil one pot of water with most stoves, and in reality I think nobody would take that little. However, let's compare that to the batteries anyway. That would be 44 cells with a mass of 2.2 kg, weighing 4.8 pounds.

Of course this is a personal judgement, but for me that would be "too heavy and too large" to be worth it. I'd either carry the gasoline or do without a stove.

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    @Odd: Yes. As I said, batteries containing the same energy as typical chemical fuels would be both larger and heavier. Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 13:16
  • That would be pretty awesome! :) Many thanks.
    – OddDeer
    Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 13:47
  • You could use a petrol generator, if you didn't mind the noise, and they were alllowed under the "no open fires" rule, to power an electric fire. Personally i would mind the noise, but if you were really cold it might be worth it. Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 15:25
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    @OlinLathrop note also that the batteries tend not to get much lighter compared to the canister of fuel. This becomes important unless you aren't lugging your batteries back out.
    – user4084
    Commented Feb 23, 2016 at 21:11
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    @Odd: See addition to my answer. I think those numbers indeed represent "too heavy and too large". Commented Feb 24, 2016 at 13:46

Battery powered stoves and ovens are available, but they don't get as hot as a regular oven. They are designed to plug into a car's 12V outlet, so they need a car battery, which is impractical for someone on foot. As a result, they are not designed to be light weight. They work for car camping, though. In the US, they are often used by truckers living out of their vehicles for days at a time.

You might be able to rig up a way to power one of these appliances from a lithium ion battery, which might make the weight acceptable to a hiker willing to carry significant extra weight. But for that, you'd need to talk to an electrician, not me.

  • according to google, a typical lead-acid car battery has 45 amp-hours which if we assume that the amps can be drawn with a potential of at least 12 volts (a reasonable assumption), gives us 12V * 45 amps * 3600 seconds (1 hour) = 1,944,000 joules. Electric stoves like the RoadPro draw 12V *12 amps = 144 watts(joules per second), so at that rate, one lead acid car battery would give you 13,500 seconds of grill time (3.75 hours) it would be heavy but you could reasonably carry a single lead acid battery in a hiking backpack provided you didn't have a whole lot extra.
    – user8920
    Commented Feb 24, 2016 at 17:32
  • As an electrical engineer, I will just point out that you would not have to use a car battery, since the stove is using 12, not 45 amps, so a smaller battery that can deliver 12 amps at 12v should be sufficient. For instance, emergency light backup batteries might do the trick. They would be lighter and smaller, but would not last as long. Perhaps combining this with a small solar charger would be more effective.
    – Dan
    Commented Feb 24, 2016 at 23:47
  • @Dan right you could use a smaller battery but you will get less grill time. The bottleneck is not in how much current you can draw from the battery, as cars easily draw upwards of 100 amps from the 45 amp-hour batteries. My point is only that the 45 amp-hour rating on the battery has nothing to do with the current expected to be drawn from the battery, it is just a metric that when combined with other information gives you the capacity for the battery.
    – user8920
    Commented Feb 25, 2016 at 12:34

As others have pointed out, the major problem with electrical heating methods is that they require a lot of energy, and current battery technology is a long way off being able to hold that energy in a comfortably portable unit.

Since your main objective seems to be to get hot food / water while camping where fire/flames are not permitted I'd suggest you look into non-combustive chemical heating pouches. These flameless ration heaters release enough heat over several minutes to heat up a pouch of food or water - it's a far cry from a freshly prepared fry-up, but it might be the best you can get!


As we saw in other answers, current battery technology would require about 1-2 lb of battery per half-liter of boiled water (or simply, more battery than water). The only practical way we have today of getting enough electricity for a reasonable weight would be to use a hydrogen fuel cell. They are gradually getting smaller and less expensive, so you might be able to use one, someday, if you're young enough (today), or wealthy enough to push the R&D yourself.

  • If you have fuel for a fuel cell, we already have a very cheap and efficient way to extract heat from them. Its called burning. This fact will limit the R&D in this direction...
    – Aron
    Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 5:30
  • @Aron Yeah but burning the fuel is banned, remember? Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 11:24
  • And electric heating is 100% efficient. (It's inefficient making the electricity, though fuel cells are pretty good.)
    – Jeffiekins
    Commented Feb 26, 2016 at 15:34

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