# How strong of a magnet is needed for magnet fishing for assorted metal objects?

Magnet fishing is where you take a magnet and go fishing for metal objects (usually trash) in ponds, canals or lakes.

I think this would be fun and would a good way to clear out some of the garbage from the canals,

How strong of a magnet would one need?

• Depends on what you're fishing for. Do you want to pull paperclips or refrigerators out of the lake? Nov 14 '18 at 16:44
• I think the breaking strength of your fishing line determines the weight of you magnet. Nov 14 '18 at 16:48
• You have a strange sense of fun. :P Stronger the better, of course, but Shem's point is likely more relevant. You'd have to be pretty close to even a small object for it to attach to it while dragging across the bottom. However, if it does attach to a large object you need to have strong enough line to pull the magnet free without breaking the line. Nov 14 '18 at 19:00
• @topshot There is no reason to use fishing string as its not like your going to scare the metal objects away, you could use 550 cord or even steel if you really wanted to Nov 14 '18 at 19:03
• "Local fisherman banned from lake after scaring away all the metal objects with paracord." Good one. Nov 14 '18 at 21:48

The practical answer is "Much less than you can easily get from a decent magnet." My original, more technical answer is left below since it is the answer to the question as asked, but the useful answer is...

You can get a magnet much stronger than needed to pull up objects such as your knife example. You can lift much more using a small, cheap magnet.

I found a magnet on Amazon.com which is actually advertised as a magnet-fishing magnet. It is listed as having a 500-pound pull-force, is only a few inches across, weighs only a few pounds, and it even comes with an eyebolt already in it so you can easily tie to it for magnet-fishing. It cost about \$50, but there are weaker ones for cheaper.

In fact, at 500-lb-pull, I wonder if your biggest problem will be trying to get objects unstuck from it when you want to remove them from the magnet. So going with a cheaper, weaker one is probably a good idea.

Will a magnet with a 10 lb pull force lift a 10 lb object?

Not necessarily. The pull test is a laboratory test under ideal lab conditions. It is the breakaway force required to separate a given magnet from a flat 1018 steel plate. See attached MDFA Pull Test Standard.

When lifting an object with a magnet, many factors can affect the ability of the magnet to lift a given weight. These factors include: surface finish of magnet & object, flatness of magnet & object, coating on either surface & acceleration of lifting motion.

So you need a magnet will a pull force that is greater than the weight of objects that you want to pull up, especially since your objects will not always be flat steel lying horizontally. However, it is probably safe to assume the above-mentioned tests were performed in air, and that the magnet would likely hold more under water. Still, as a rule of thumb, I would go with the tests to be safe and get a magnet with a pull force greater than the maximum weight you would like to be able to capture.

If you want to pull an object out of the muck at the bottom, that could be a lot harder. Depending on what an object is covered in at the bottom of the water, you might not even be able to pull it out if you were down there and tugging on it directly, so this is highly variable, too much for me to go into. Consider what it is like when you get a foot trapped in the mud or in the muck at the bottom of a pond or similar. If you had a long pole to jam down and release some pressure, that might help.

If you want to be able to attract objects without having to touch them directly (ie: at a distance), that requires a lot, lot stronger magnet. Magnetic force is inversely proportional to the cube of the distance, meaning that the pull drops drastically even at very short distances. So you will need to be essentially dragging the magnet right over top of the object, making contact with it. If you want to avoid direct contact and snag something even if you miss it by an inch, or worse yet a few inches, then get a very much stronger magnet.

## Can I buy a magnet by pull weight?

I did not know much about buying magnets, and whenever I have bought one at a store before I have always just held it up to something and said "Yup, feels strong enough for what I want." But it appears that you can indeed buy them by pull weight.

Googling "buy magnet by pull weight" produces magnets for sale with pull weight identified.

For example, the second hit for me on the Google query is a 2.4-pound-pull magnet from Wal-Mart that comes in a pack of 2 for \$2.14.

## Summary

Anything beyond that is probably beyond a simple TGO answer and would require a question on engineering.SE, and they might close it as too broad since it would depend on the buoyancy of the object if it is not solid steel/iron all the way through, and depth that you are fishing at since buoyancy involves not just the mass/volume of the buoyant object but also that of the medium it is weighed in, and water weighs more the deeper you go.

So it sounds as simple as deciding what the heaviest object is that you want and buying a magnet of at least that "pull-weight" strength. So for small objects like knives a very cheap 1-pound pull-weight magnet sounds more than plenty.

After doing more research,

If you look for fishing magnets that have an attachment for rope (usually an eyebolt) they start from approximately 100 lbs (45kg) and go all the way up to 1,200 lbs (544kg) with values around 3-400 lbs being the most common from what I could see.

The other thing mentioned when learning about this is that the values stated are under ideal conditions which would be thick, flat and dry metal with no mud. Lakes are not ideal conditions and the items are often rusted and or curved.

It's not that you are going to be regularly pulling out 300 lbs things, but rather that more attraction helps in the less than ideal circumstances.

From what I am reading 4-500 lbs is plenty just don't get it stuck to metal things like bridge trusses above water.

• You had asked how much force is necessary, and your example item was a knife. If you were willing to go with a magnet with hundreds of pounds of lifting force, then wasn't the answer all along pretty much just "Whatever the biggest magnet is that you can afford and are willing to carry?" But yes, your last paragraph is important if you use one that strong - if you got it stuck against a flat, steel, immobile object you might just need to leave it there. Here's an idea for that: Drill a hole ahead of time you can insert a lever into to pry it off. Nov 15 '18 at 18:29
• @Aaron I spent a whole \$9.50 for a 175 lb one and it should be delivered tomorrow so I'll see how it goes. Nov 15 '18 at 18:49
• Interesting, apparently a lot of pull force can be packed into small magnets too. Without much effort, I just found a 500-lb-pull magnet that is only a few inches across, weighs just a few pounds, and comes with an eyebolt already in it so you can easily tie to it from the top. It is about \$50. It is even advertised as being for magnet fishing. Nov 15 '18 at 21:10

Given your clarification ("up to small knives") a 10mm diameter by 5mm thick rare earth magnet would work. I've got some and they'll lift my Swiss army knife.

However I'd go for a bit bigger, and buy one with a hole (cheap on ebay) to make fastening easier. I tested a 10x5 with a hole, lifting a small sheath knife. it can easily lift it by the (slightly extended) tang or one of the rivets on the sheath. It could take the weight attaching to the blade through the leather sheath but tended to slide to a rivet.

(apologies for the motion blur -- it's effectively a pendulum)

If I was doing this, I'd use one (or two back to back) from an old hard drive -- the voice coil magnets are strong and can often be obtained for free.

One thing to remember is how fast the force falls off with distance. A magnet that will pull itself to a knife from a few centimetres away is likely to break your line if it finds a car.