I'm taking a handful (5) work colleagues up a mountain this weekend (Tryfan in Snowdonia).

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The mountain is a Grade 1 scramble route so it's not overly simple. The group is very inexperienced. I've taken inexperienced people up said mountain a couple of times but never such a large group.

I've managed to rope in a couple of experienced friends to help out as I was wary that I couldn't keep my eye on everyone.

I'm taking a rope (just in case). The route should be easily doable without a rope but I want to have a safety backup for anyone who is unsure. I've also ensured everyone is bringing the following kit:

  • Walking boots
  • Waterproof jacket
  • Water
  • Food
  • Backpack
  • Sensible trousers
  • Warm clothing
  • Gloves

I'll be putting together a first aid kit.

Does anyone have any hints/tips/best practice ideas on how to manage such a group of people and keep everyone safe?

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    I like the list but I would be more specific on some items. Like don't just say "water", say "at least X quart(s) of water in a wide-mouth bottle". Otherwise, you're going to have people showing up with a 12 ounce bottle of water they bought at the gas station on the way to meet you! :( Sep 8, 2014 at 16:23
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    Have you considered using something like shareyouradventure.com (open to everyone), peaktopub.org (less mature and subscription based but keeps routes private) or the ViewRanger App to record your route and show them afterwards?
    – Liath
    Sep 9, 2014 at 8:31
  • I was going to say I don't have a GPS @Liath. But I suppose in this day and age everyone does! I'm doing loading the view ranger app now.
    – user2766
    Sep 9, 2014 at 8:33
  • @Liam I can't recommend ViewRanger highly enough. It runs on most phones and has saved me wandering off a few times! There are a few sites (like the ones I mentioned above) which integrate with it and let you share photos/routes - that's another topic though!
    – Liath
    Sep 9, 2014 at 8:41

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There are few things which may go wrong:

  • Injury. Carry some kind of the shelter. It may take few hours for mountain rescue to get to your group.

  • Tired. Make sure you have alternative shorter and simpler route in your head.

  • Dehydrated. Carry a bit of extra water or a purification tablets to gather water from streams.

  • Scared. Your rope can serve a good purpose here, but personally I wouldn't use it as it often gives a false safety feeling. Keeping group in a good mood is much more efficient.

  • Bored. Make sure everybody is having fun. Don't forget to check with everybody and make sure they are doing ok.

  • Cold. Usually I carry extra fleece just in case.

  • Wet. A pair of dry socks and mac-a-pack can help a lot. Even if you ask everybody to bring waterproofs and proper hiking boots, often they ignore that or borrow damaged or old equipment from friends or get it on the eBay.

  • Sun burned. I always have a sunscreen to share with the group.

That's just from my personal experience. I'm sure there are many more things which may go wrong. Usually I'm leading 10 - 20 people groups of people with mixed experience.

One good tip for a first aid kit for townies group is to take gloves and tweezers. It doesn't matter if you'll remove a bee or a thorn from someones arm with your nails or tweezers, but that person will be much more confident about you doing that if you look 'professional'.

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    Dry socks is a genius idea!
    – user2766
    Sep 8, 2014 at 16:06
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    +1. I would only add "Ask about allergies and medical conditions". Sep 8, 2014 at 18:34
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    Russell, I've stopped asking about medical conditions after I got a lady in the middle of Dartmoor saying me "I think I may give a birth NOW!". Apparently she was pregnant, in the last month, but decided it was ok and not worth mentioning. Responsible people will notify you without asking. Usually long before signing up for a hike.
    – Val
    Sep 9, 2014 at 8:34
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    Use of a rope should definitely be a last resort on a route like this - the time it takes to get it out and organise tying in etc, and the implication that 'this is a really dangerous bit', could easily freak a scared beginner out where a bit of calm reassurance could have got them past a tricky bit.
    – nekomatic
    Sep 9, 2014 at 10:24
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    One more thing: anticipate and suggest what clothing they should take off/put on: if they set out wearing everything they'll probably be unpleasantly hot in a few minutes, but you may need to point out it's OK to strip down to their t-shirts; then if you anticipate the group being slow on a scramble section you might get them to add a layer before the scramble starts, and so on.
    – nekomatic
    Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42

A trek group should have a Leader who walks in front who leads the trail/route/climb, sometimes cleaning the route or navigating the route. I believe that will be you.
Then the second most important person is the Back Lead, who is the last head you have, who makes sure that the pace of the group is maintained and adapted as per the slowest member. You'll need your second best trek-mate as the last man/woman. Just in case if someone slips, she/he will be able to act a fall-stopper and make sure no one lags behind. He/she will also be responsible to boost the moral of the ones who are struggling.

Assigning number to a member is needless as you are just 5+1. So that not really needed. When you are leading a group of nearly 10+ people then assigning a head-number helps in keeping the headcount.

  • You are carrying a rope and at places where you think you might wanna have an extra safety you can make a human chain with sufficient gap between two people.
  • You should consider carrying an extra couple of ltrs of water, just in case if someone is tired and can't carry.
  • Confirm if there is anyone who has ever suffered with Acrophobia. Be very careful about the person if there is any.

I'd add Headlamp/Flashlight to the list that says things-to-carry?


As Jim alluded to, you need to be very explicit about gear. I've taken groups of 2-6 very inexperienced people on assorted trips, from strenuous dayhikes to backpacking trips. Here's things I usually make sure to include:

  • Be very strict about no cotton clothing, and explain why. People may show up with cotton sweatshirts when they really need a fleece vest.
  • Make sure their raincoats have a hood. Surpiring how many people overlook this.
  • Require everybody to bring a change of socks.
  • Require everybody to bring a warm bottom layer. People often bring jackets but forget to bring fleece pants or longjohns.
  • Have a minimum amount of water that everybody must bring (usually 2-3 L depending on the duration). Just saying "two water bottles" isn't enough because people will show up with two tiny vending machine bottles.
  • With food, people often underestimate their caloric needs when doing outdoor activities. For a day trip I usually tell people to bring a hardy lunch, enough for at least 4 big snacks during the day, and "backup food" that's enough such that they would be OK if they didn't make it back for dinner.
  • Some form of lighting is a good idea.
  • I usually encourage people not to bring certain items, that list depends on the trip and the group. Alcohol and smartphones usually go on the do-not-bring list.

Be prepared for somebody to forget something important. I usually bring an extra warmth layer, an extra warm hat, and some extra food (typically some compact energy bars). It's good to personally, visually confirm that people brought all the required gear. "Everybody show me your rain coat" not only ensures that everybody's coat is adequate, it also ensures that nobody accidentally left theirs behind.

As for group management, the most important thing is to check in with everybody often, and don't be afraid to turn back if people aren't up for your original plan. It's better to turn back before the summit than to end up in a bad situation with people who are exhausted and inexperienced. Sometimes people will be feeling tired, but they feel bad about holding back the group so they won't say anything. Keep an eye out for that.

Before leaving, make sure to ask each person if they have any medical conditions you should be aware of, if they typically carry any type of medication, and if so make sure they have it and that you know where it is. It's better to know people's basic medical info before it becomes necessary.

It's also important to keep an eye on your own well-being. It's easy to get distracted when taking care of 5 other people, but since you're the person responsible for the group, it's paramount that you're well fed, hydrated, etc. Don't forget to take care of yourself!

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    I think requiring to much is a bad idea. It makes it look like an army boot camp. New comers want it to be fun and enjoyable, easy to commit and cheap. It's our, leaders, job to prepare and make sure it runs smooth.
    – Val
    Sep 9, 2014 at 8:49
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    Yes, check that gear is appropriate, but don't be over the top about it: a cotton t-shirt is probably OK as a base layer as long as they have something warm and/or waterproof enough on top, for example (it does me fine). Also if someone's unused to scrambling then the less weight they have on their backs to throw them off balance the better. Knowing the length of this route, 3 L of water would be loads too much: drink some before setting out then carry a litre or so.
    – nekomatic
    Sep 9, 2014 at 10:35
  • I think the cotton things relevant. The weather is very changeable in snowdonia and people think cotton is warm when it isn't always.
    – user2766
    Sep 9, 2014 at 12:50
  • You can "require" something without being a jerk about it too. Just email everybody a list with section for "required gear", "suggested gear", and "optional gear". The specific gear that you should "require" is different for each trip; I'm providing an example here but if the leader thinks (for example) that 1L of water is enough for this route, that's their call.
    – nhinkle
    Sep 9, 2014 at 14:27
  • I would add don't wear jeans, on the other hand I pretty much always where cotton t-shirts. I would also add the 2L of water is more than enough (too much) for Wales in September.
    – nivag
    Sep 11, 2014 at 14:46

Here are a few items that I find easy to pack, and are usually needed by at least a few people in a group:

  • ziplock bags for waterproofing valuables
  • unscented baby wipes for a quick personal cleaning
  • ibuprofen or acetaminophen for minor aches and pain
  • 3M "transpore" medical tape adheres well to skin in wet conditions
  • hard candies always provide a morale boost

For Everyone:

  • micro/mini LED flashlight. I don't care if it's on a keychain, whatever.
  • BIC or similar lighter that works, at least half full.

For Your 1st Aid Kit

  • mylar "space blanket"

23 years ago I got caught on a Yosemite switchback trail down-climb; end-of-day, all exhausted. Between the trees and western mountains the local "darkness" was about 90 minutes earlier than official sunset. And it was PDD (Pretty Dang DARK!)

We ran 2 hrs. late starting down, our amateur guide was useless, unprepared. My traditional (bulb) flashlight was busted. Lighter had no fuel remaining after meals. (No backup, I'm an idiot.) We all made it down after 4 hrs as a human hand-holding "train" using the sparks from the lighter to illuminate the switchback turns. (couldn't get tinder to light, iffy using a fire-torch in Yos.)

Never again so dumb and trusting.

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