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Nov 7 at 22:55 comment added user71659 @ChrisH Yes, that or a separate accessory battery that temporarily disconnects from the main battery. The user experience of a phone stopping and restarting charge (making a bling sound) every time somebody takes off from a stop is deemed unacceptable.
Nov 7 at 6:30 comment added Chris H Good point on inverters being able to protect themselves @user71659. I know people have trouble with built in power sockets but maybe that's not the trouble. Do they really put dc-dc converters in lighter sockets and not just make them cut off so the voltage is either 0 or 12V?
Nov 6 at 19:42 comment added user71659 @ChrisH Overload protection of mains voltage is trivial: it's software in the inverter. This is basically the same as a cigarette lighter on a car with auto-start-stop: every time the engine cranks pulling away from a stop, the voltage drops to 8-10 V, which disrupts devices, so they have to put a voltage boost converter in, which has to operate at higher currents and actually requires more parts than an inverter (a boost is a DC-AC-DC converter, versus a DC-AC inverter).
Nov 6 at 8:39 comment added Chris H @user71659 if you say so. My van is too old to know about that. But my parents' much newer (2022) electric car has two or three 12V sockets well spread out, and a pair of almost useless 1A USB sockets in the console. Overloading of mains voltage sockets is also likely to be an issue, easily enough to overcome, but breakers etc. cost money and margins are tight on many models
Nov 5 at 22:15 comment added user71659 @ChrisH Unlike my previous car with 4 12 V outlets, my new truck has exactly one 12 V cigarette port, two 120 V outlets (including 1 in the bed), and six USB ports (half USB-C). Manufacturers have steered away from 12 V in modern cars due to the high current draw and the need for safety-related load management. At some point, they will disappear to be replaced by USB PD.
Nov 5 at 13:14 comment added Chris H if you wire a car lighter plug onto them, yes. There are fans with the right plug already, but I the fans themselves aren't great for this, more like mini desk fans
Nov 5 at 13:08 comment added fyrepenguin @ChrisH good to know - I hadn’t looked too much into the options. Do those plug directly into the car socket?
Nov 5 at 11:10 comment added Chris H If you're going to run fans off a car, don't bother with USB, just buy 12V fans. They'll be fine on the generous "12V" in cars. I have couple of old radial PC fans to which I've taped wide tubes that I can insert in my shoes, either run off a 12V power supply or a vehicle
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